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  FOX News    Americas Newsroom    News/Business. Bill Hemmer, Martha  
   MacCallum. News coverage and discussion. New.  

    March 15, 2011
    9:00 - 11:00am EDT  

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>> brian: we thank you very much. find out more and stick with us in the after the show show coming up right after this. see you. tuesday. disaster in japan. another explosion in fukushima. radiation from the blast reportedly blowing offshore. then a nuclear watchdog group upgrading the severity of the situation a 6 on a 7-point scale. chernobyl was a 7.
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3 mile island was a 5. we are somewhere in between both of those in a moment. alisyn: the situation seem to be getting more dangerous. all four reacto rereacross -- as seem to be affected. listen to the prime minister. >> the radiation level is high and there is a high chance of further radiation from here on. anyone within a 20-mile range of fukushima needs to evacuate. i understand most people did. and we urge people within a 20-30 mile range to stay indoo
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indoors. bill: this is the plant in question. there are four different reactors that are of concern. here is number one, here is number two, number 3 and number 4. all of these reactors on the picture you see now. this is how they were intact before the earthquake happened and the tsunami wiped them out. here is where we are now. saturday you reactor number one you had an explosion. then yesterday reactor number 3 had an explosion. then earlier today reactor number 2, there has been an explosion in number 2. then reactor number 4 caught fire today. it appears number 1 and number 3 so far sustained the most damage. that's just and eyewitness take
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on the aerial picture we have from this satellite image. the people in this area of japan have been told to stay indoors or get out. here is the evacuation zone. you have a 20 kilometer area that stretches out west, north and south, which is 12 miles with the conversion. 12 miles in each direction, west and south and north. outside of that zone, you have now a request for 30 kilometers. 16 miles in the same direction, to the northwest, to the west, and to the north there is a warning to all these people in this area of japan to stay indoors or to leave the area as soon as possible. david is with grn news. he's in japan by telephone. what do you there? >> the company which monitors
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these plants just recently had a press conference within the last hour and it did say that the core situation at reactor 1, 2, and 3 are being cooled by water. the cores are not submerged. there is worry about the fuel cores at 1 and 6. these are 60 degrees centigrade. normally they are 40 degrees. and 4 caught on fire and it's at 80 degrees. bill: number five and number six is in a different location. how serious is that? >> it'difficult to tell. they are monitoring the situation. during the press conference the officials faced a grilling from journalists. they said they didn't know -- i guess understand the situation.
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they say they are trying to sort out everything as quickly as possible but can't comment on concrete figures. bill: thank you. it's important to point out as we go through this and try to figure out what are the facts on the ground. the iaea did issue a report that radioactive levels being tested in that area are on the decline. is that the case? is that true? will that hold? let's hope. alisyn: everything is in short supply in japan. food, everything, even water, and that's adding to the problems there. this has been burning out of control. the water meant for the blaze is on its way to an evacuation center. no word whether crews will resort to using seawater.
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the big concern is the direction of the wind and how that could push radioactivity in the air towards populated areas. what are you seeing, maria. >> reporter: we have an approaching storm system. yesterday the storms were blowing out of the northwest. right now they are blowing from the east to west. so we are seeing whatever vapors in the air being blown onshore, approaching storm system is bringing some rain and will become steadier overnight. that rain will be on the increase in the overnight hours. and temperatures on the decline by thursday afternoon. the high will only get up to 39 degrees. when the temperatures do get below freezing during the nighttime hours we could see some of that rain shift over to snow. anyone without proper heating, a lot of people are without power. this is a dangerous situation,
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we are looking at the threat for hypothermia. the rain could wash away some of the vapors in the air. the good thing is the winds are relatively light. as the storm keeps moving east through the area, we are going to see that shift again from the northwest to the east. that will help keep the radioactive vapors offshore. there is concern about some of the vapors making it into the higher levels of the atmosphere. when you get into the upper levels winds tend to blow from west to east. at the very far distance, the vapors could be dispersed by the time they make it into the u.s. alisyn: maria, thanks for the update at this hour. bill: from gentleman paint's
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putting the focus on nuclear energy. san onofre south of l.a. is saying in the event of a quake they have the necessary safeguards. >> our ability to shut it down and maintain it safely. we are not intending to operate the plan during an emergency, but you want to shut it down and protect the public. we can do that. bill: that plant sits on the edge of the ocean. experts say that ocean water is key to the operation of the plant. they pump ocean water into that reactor which has been the backup plan all along. that helps keep the reactor on the inside cool. >> very quickly the wind starts to mix with the release and it becomes dispersed. if it's blowing out to the ocean
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the risk is immediately diminished. but even if it's being over populated areas very quickly i would see no risk alove the safe level. bill: he says the plant can with stand an earthquake with a magnitude of 7.0 and it's protected by a 25-foot tsunami wall. all critical elements of the design. alisyn: a 7.0 doesn't seem adequate anymore in light of japan. bill: that will be part of the review process. alisyn: the nuclear and humanitarian crisis sending japanese markets plummeting for a second day in a row. toshiba still untrade.
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japan's markets have fallen 10% in light of the disaster. the nikkei has lost 16% of its value and the index is down 1,000 points. let's check in on how the u.s. stocks react at the bottom of the hour. bill: did you see the futures trading? right across the board. we talked about how calm the people in japan appear on the outside. you wonder how they feel emotionally on the inside. store shelves in some areas are empty. canned food within bottled water. bike is leading to shortages. far outside the earthquake areas. now, the government urging people not to buy items they don't need. fat chance of that happening. many factories and food industry processing plants have been destroyed or damaged. supply routes are nonexistent in
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many areas of the country. alisyn: are fears of radioactivity spiking? bill: more than 10,000 people said to be dead in japan. the official toll is 2,400. but there are so many more unaccounted for and missing, they expect that number to go dramatically higher. still thousands more walking away alive. >> houses of fishermen devastated with debris. over here one of many boats that have swept up from the harbor and sitting on the street. bill: that's gregg palkot on the street. more stories of survival from the quake zone coming up. alisyn: the house gearing up to keep the government running for
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alisyn: let's take a look at some other top stories. the ruler of bahrain claiming a 3-month state of emergency as troops enter the country to help the royal family control the protests held by she. >protests -- held by shiite muslims. the body of frank buckles is laying in the capitol. he will be buried today after a
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memorial service. bill: a third nuclear plant explosion in japan spreads fierce of radiation poisoning. the government is ordering people within a 20 kilometer area of the plants, about 12 miles, to leave the area. those living outside, 30 kilometers, to stay indoors no matter what the cost. we have a former nuclear arms expert and a senior fellow from the center of extr extra -- ther strategic studies. what is true and what is blown out of the water. what can you say about what japan is facing at the moment? >> the workers there are struggling with multiple difficulties. this is not just happening at one reactor, but at four
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reactors. it is not chernobyl. that we have to make very, very clear. but they are struggling with operations that require a lot of effort, and they don't have the electricity, they don't have the man power radiation levels are increasing. but it's very difficult to know just yet how this will end. and how it's going to proceed. bill: when do we know that? >> it's going to be a while. it may be days. it may be weeks. some of the radiation damage and the health physics effects may not be known for months or years, depending on how severe the radiation releases are. right now the japanese government is together right thing, evacuating people and telling people to stay indoors, and they are doing their utmost to keep those reactor cores cool
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and also the spent fuel ponds cool. that's the latest development in reactor four. there was a fire there. the cooling ponds were heating up, and now we are also looking at reactors five and six which were under scheduled maintenance. bill: as we go through this we are told radiation in the area is 100 time the normal level. having said that, it's far fromm you'injurious to the human body. perhaps the construction for this nuclear power plant was much great than anybody thought. which would be a huge credit to the industry. when you mention chernobyl. in the ukraine in 1996, that was
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a disaster from the beginning. right down to the construction it was built on. it had no containment wall. in japan we have seen containment walls have been critical. so far it does not appear to be that level. is that accurate? >> absolutely. these particular reactors do have containment vessels. we don't think melting fuel that breached the containment vessels. but there is a lot of radiation coming out of reactor number 2. yes, it's absolutely the reactors withstood the earthquake and shut down. but with all of these reactors, we have many of these in the united states. you have to be able to have an external power source after they
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shut down to cool that fuel. whether it's an earthquake or tsunami, you still need that. that's a critical issue. sharon, thank you for your time. alisyn: the democrats are ramping up recall efforts targeting governor wearing and his supporters. bill: for the second time in three days another deadly crash involving a tour bus. there are questions about the driver of that bus.
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bill: the aftershocks are relengthless shake in japan. we are days after one of the most horrific disasters in history.
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a total of 468 quakes recorded. that red one right there in the center happened last hour. the blue boxes show the ones that happened the last 24 hours and the yellow is all the ones that happened since friday. you listen to the reporters and they talk about the grond ground moving and the tremblors rolling through. it's off the charts. alisyn: two people are dead after another horrible bus crash. this one in new jersey. 40 more people were injured. the luxury tour bus crashing on the way to philadelphia. this just days after the tragic bus crash in the bronx that killed 15 people. now we get information about that driver and whether he should have been behind the
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wheel. >> he has a criminal background and that's not faring well with local authorities and federal authorities. both companies under scrutiny as authorities examine a lack of federal regulations in place to prevent these kinds of deadly accident from happening. the driver of a private charter bus traveling on the new jersey turnpike was thrown through the windshield. the bus is believed to have entered the grass on the center median before hitting the overpass and an embankment. the one vehicle crash comes days after another tour bus crash as it was returning from a connecticut casino to chinatown here in new york city killing 15 people. now police are revealing the driver. williams has a disturbing
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criminal past including a decades old manslaughter conviction for his involvement in a stabbing in 1990, and numerous traffic violations. investigators zeroed in on williams after his bus fell apart after he said the bus struck a tractor-trailer. they have launched an investigation into how williams was able to hold a valid commercial license. >> this company is not alone. these low-cost tour bus companies have an increasingly alarming safety record that should give pause to regulatory agencies. it appears the safety regime in place is not sufficiently doing the job of protecting passengers. there are no federal regulations in place that would prohibit states from issuing a license to
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a bus driver with a criminal record. arecord. bill were you saw the one saturday where the bus split in half. he ran out of the smoking twin towers as -- he ran into the smoking twin towers as people ran out. he's asking a judge some stop the building of a mosque near ground zero. alisyn: go to foxnews.com to read about our stories.
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but if you are unable to pump water into that reactor that could be a big deal. when you try to cool the nuclear rods and slow down the reaction inside. the situation inside that plant upgraded to a 6 out of 7 on the nuclear severity scale. cherable in in 1976 was a 7. 23 victims have been treated for radiation exposure. 120,000 near the plant are told to seal themselves indoors. japanese officials are warning the radiation is spreading offshore. doug, good morning. >> so much conflicting information regarding the latest from the fukushima nuclear plants. the nuclear watch agency says the incident has taken on a different dimension compared to monday. it's clear we are at level six.
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the international scale of nuclear disasters. three mile island was a five, and chernobyl is the so cents union was a seven. but the japanese say the radiation levels have falling sharply in only 6 hours' time today. in the meantime in washington the obama administration giving a strong vote of confidence to nuclear power saying it will be a key part of the u.s. energy structure in years to come. saying this will be a hugely valuable learning tool for the u.s. nuclear industry. >> the nrc i'm sure will be look at this very carefully and make immediate recommendations to see what went wrong in japan. it's going to be very important to do even analysis, a failure of what occurred there.
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there were several safety systems that failed. >> presently four nuclear power plants in the united states, 3 under construction. they were planned before the disaster in japan. bill: i want to show you this graphic behind me. this is an example of one of the four reactors you would see at this plant that we showed you a short time ago. the nuclear rods are tucked deep inside here. that's important for the following reason. here are your fuel rods. that's what generates the power in a nuclear reactor. the fuel rods turn, they create steam. the steam drives the turbines and the turbines create the electricity. here is your water inlets. that's critical because there is a water inlet built into every reactor.
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in addition to the water being pumped in from the ocean, that's a backup plan, one set into the design of a reactor such as this. see these plates that hold the rods? those can be put in place to control the fuel rods and slow them down and trap that nuclear radiation to make sure it does not release into the air. control rods here are marked in yellow and they can slide down tbhb this case they divide the fuel rods in the four different areas. so again you get more containment on the inside of the fuel rods. one other thing to show you, we can show you the containment walls that are so critical. this is your last line of defense, and these nuclear power plants are built in japan with 3-8-foot concrete walls. the containment versus. this is he normal concrete on the right, concrete on the left.
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worst case scenario, the containment walls hold that nuclear fuel and trap it in there sow it doesn't release into the air. some of it has released. but how deep and deadly it is frankly we do not know. neither do the folks in japan. alisyn: we now know 23 people who live near japan's fukushima plant are being treated for radiation. 150 people are being monitored. the u.s. military says it will move several naval ships closer to the japanese coast just one day after 17 navy personnel were treated for radiation poisoning. dr. chow is the radiation oncologist. >> i think that our hearts go to those people that lost their loved ones in japan. about it all depend on what
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level of radiation exposure they encountered. they usually are vomiting to fever, chills. because the bone marrow suppression, to the diarrhea due to the effect of the g.i. tract. alisyn: what do you as a doctor do for them. >> usually supportive care. but in this situation, with the radioactive iodine in the air is a different story. what happens to those laid ohio active. >> i diens would travel, sucked into the lungs and travel to the thyroid glands. that's why the treatment for the radiation is different than detecting excessive radiation from an x-ray machine. alisyn: once it gets into your
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thyroid gland is it too late to take the iodine? >> prevention is important. we need to saturate our body with iodine. you go to restaurant and order 7-meal course followed by dessert and coffee, and afterwards the waiter hands you a piece of bread, what would you say, no, thank you, i'm full. that's why this iodine pill tries to saturate our body so radioactive iodine comes in our body would say no, thank you. alisyn: you saying it may be too late for the 23 who have been exposed. is it too late -- are these people much more susceptible to cancer? >> depends on what kinds of exposure. those people working close about it reactor may get exposure
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other than radioactive iodine. for those people treatments were never too late. for those people sucking the radioactive iodine in their body need to be followed. the risk of cancer after radioactive iodine exposure related to the age of the patient. the younger they have these kinds of exposure the higher chance they are going to have the cancer somewhere down the road in their life. alisyn: we know from what happened in chernobyl in the ukraine will were repercussions to the next generations. >> 300 miles away they preventively gave out the iodine pill and 10 years later there is no increased cancer risk associated with the population. that's a good lesson to learn from them.
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bill: there is word crossing out of tokyo, it's nighttime there, 13 hours ahead of new york city time. a strong earthquake felt in tokyo a short time ago. so the tremblors, the rumbling continues. the dow has take and tumble off almost 300 points in early trading. watching that right now. on the dow off 30. for the dow 30 stocks, it takes 10-15 minute before they get trading in motion. there is a reason this is happening and that's because of japan. the nikkei index in tokyo falling between 12-14%. that's a wallop to a country that saw a 6% drop the day before. we are watching the markets overseas to see where we go now. off 252. alisyn: will lawmakers vote to
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keep the gowcht and running? house republicans say they are tired of these quick fixes. bill: there is hope rising out of japan's disaster. trapped for five days, alive and now safe at the age of 70.  [ female announcer ] last year, the u.s. used
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experiencing since the big one friday. bill: a strong earthquake would seem to indicate it was higher than the 6.0 quakes they have had a series of. 6.0 you will feel it for sure. but to think about this country experiencing a 9.0 last friday which is the strongest in its history, to get so many aftershocks and so many rollers that were greater than 6.0. alisyn: geologists did warning the seismic activity is so great, the plates are shifting so much, they said prepare for another big one. bill: the terrifying feeling the japanese people must feel to constantly feel the beneath them move and rumble again. the nightmare continues in japan. we are back on that story in a moment. there is a big spending battle in washington. coming to a head today.
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there is a house vote to keep the government running. democrats looking for a short fix to keep the government running. both sides question why we have not heard more from the president. chris van hollen ranking democrat on the house budget committee. thanks for coming back. does anything move this process forward without the president's involvement? >> at the end of the day you need the white house involved just like you need the house and the senate involved to get things done. the president made it clear the house republican bill is unacceptable. it would do too much damage to the economy in the immediate term. but you are right, to resolve this we need everybody at the table. bill: are you satisfied with president obama's involvement. between now and the end of the
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next 3-week period the white house will have to pick up the pails of its involvement. bill: in your first answer you said his involvement is critical. i understand that. i get it. if you want to get this resolved and stop putting a band-aid on every 7-14 days, you bring in the big hitter. >> the vice president has been involved. i think he will step up his participation. i think people will focus here. nobody wants to keep this going two weeks, three weeks at a time. that's no way to run a railroad let alone run a government. and we need to come together now to come up with a plan between now and the end of this fiscal year, end of september, so we can focus on would you telling together the budget for 2012 and stop focusing on this tiny slice. we are dealing with 12% of the budget. we need to be looking much more
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broadly. bill: your point is well taken. just to foul on that. senator marco rubio wrote this. if every member of congress goes home after another band-aid is put on. he says every senator and representative should feel shame when they go home and look their constituents in the eye that nothing is being done about our debt crisis. >> that's going to require what people have said as an adult conversation. rather than this obsession on just 12% of the budget. we need to look more broadly and look at the tax earmarks. the president's bipartisan fiscal commission said you have got to look at some of the tax earmarks. and the president has put this on the table. we wish our republicans colleagues would join them on this issue. when you have oil company
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profits on the roof, there is no reason to provide a taxpayer windfall to the oil companies. bill: how do you think that would go over, the republican majority in the house. >> that's about taking away a special interest benefit for the oil and gas companies to have no impact on prices. right now the oil companies are reaping in big profits. the question is why should we it education? why should we cut-in investments in our future and keep off the table these special interest tax earmarks. bill: let's broaden the conversation. we'll be watching to see if we get a band-aid or a permanent solution. chris van hollen, the democrat out of maryland. alisyn: democrats trying to
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bill: this is what we are getting out of tokyo. the latest tremblor at 5.8. locally the japanese say it was 6.0. either what it was a big roller that just went through the capital city of japan. so many of these aftershocks really aren't aftershocks. they are earthquakes.
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this one was 6.0. alisyn: there is a race against time to get aid to millions of quake victims in japan. we are seeing jaw-dropping images of the devastation where survivors are struggling with food and water in short supply. >> the people of northeastern japan are trying to pick themselves up. first the earthquake, then a wall of water, the tsunami. even in the town of oroai, he and his friend showed us where the mammoth wave came in. no better sign of the strength of the tsunami that swept into japan than the main street. a fishing village in japan.
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the cars and trucks thrown around like so many toys. houses of fishermen defend stated with debris, and unof many boats that swept up from the harbor sitting on the streets. >> for the survivors of the disaster it's nothing but challenges. there is no water, power or heat in the town. food and fuel is in short supply and there are new worries from up the coast. nuclear activity leaking causing most residents to worry. >> if radiation reaches this point we'll be affected. i have no choice but to believe in the authorities. >> reporter: the people of the town work to clear the damage as they look forward to an uncertain future. alisyn: more about the anxiety there. bill: can you imagine the
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bill: almost 10:00 here in new york city, good morning, everybody, "fox news alert," and what is now considered the second worst nuclear disaster we
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have ever seen. on the brink of japan's crippled fukushima power plant, explosions at three atomic reactors, forcing a 12 mile zone around the area to be evacuated and now crews saying they are unable to pump cooling water type fourth reactor. that caught fire earlier today. at least one nuclear group rating the disaster at a 6 on a scale of 7 in terms of severity. chernobyl, 1986, the only 7 the world has ever seen, a new hour of "america's newsroom," good morning i'm bill hemmer as we sort through everything from japan, trying to figure out what is fact and what is not, good morning to you, allyson. >> i'm alisyn camerota in for martha maccallum, 23 people received decontamination treatment after being exposed to radiation and reports say american troops are helping fight fires at the crippled nuclear plant. japan's national police agency says at least 10,000 people are either dead or missing from the
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quake and the tsunami. bill: for more on what is happening there and a quake report, only moments ago, david piper is live at the air face north of tokyo. did you feel the quake, david? >> reporter: bill, yes. it was a very strong aftershock and the building i was in was rocking like a ship and we were actually live with fox-l.a. at the time and i was giving them commentary on what was happening and we didn't know if it was another very big quake but, we understand that there has been -- have been problems in this area. the lifts of the building stopped and if we want to evacuate we have to use the fire escape. let me give you the latest details i have, on the nuclear crisis. things are going from bad to worse, the japanese government said earlier today, there was a large radiation leak, at the fukushima plant, 150 miles north of here and the nuclear agency,
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iaea, said that radioactive cloud has been released from that unit and that is unit 4. and we understand that the water pump of the same unit is not in operation, at this time. it is stuck and what that means is, that water cannot get through and the fuel rods of the unit 4 are likely to be exposed even further at this time. and, we understand that 3 of the four reactors at fukushima are expelling radiation, that is what the japanese government said and they've introduced a no-fly zone at this time and are warning any residents within a 20 mile radius, they must seal their homes, not go outside, and, try to cover up, to survive their ordeal. back to you, bill. bill: david piper, thank you, north of tokyo, the u.s. putting the quake at 5.8, locally the japanese felt two trem blers
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rolling through a moment ago and one at 6.0 and the other 6.2 and either way, no tsunami warning is issued and we are back on that in a moment. >> and hope of finding survivors in the rubble is fading fast at this hour, five days since the record breaking earthquake and massive tsunami and not many people have been pulled from the wreckage alive. the official government death toll, now topping 3300. but japan's national police saying at least 10,000 people are dead, or missing this morning and of course, that number could also rise. bill: watching the index on the nikkei, down 12%, today, we're watching the dow stocks, trading here and we'll keep the bug up throughout the morning, and it has been down 250 points, so far, you will see that in the bottom left-hand corner and amid the destruction an image of hope emerging from the debris in japan, a 4-month-old baby girl surviving the odds and found alive. by rescuers, three days after the disaster hit. it happened in that badly hit state of myaga, the massive
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tsunami sweeping the infant from the arms of her parents and her family feared the worst, but, soldiers searching for bodies, heard that baby crying and plucked her from the rubble, unharmed. she is now back home, with her parents at least in their arms again. >> that is a miracle. thank goodness, meanwhile, and a happy reunion to report in the u.s. a group of american senior advisors of the japan quake arriving home in seattle. they were in japan as part of the marine wildlife conservation group and narrowly escaped the tsunami, by taking refuge on a hill. their return home sparking a mix of emotions. >> i just feel so good. you know? and, so happy. and, then, so sad and devastated at the same time. >> there was water rushing everywhere and debris and bodies. it was surreal. the whole thing, it was more like i was watching a movie than being in it.
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>> thee gro group said they wer amazed of the kindness of strangers who shared food with them. bill: fires burning in and radioactive fuel rods fully exposed, once again, 23 people have received a decontamination treatment. now, panic over the possibility of radiation leaking into the air, and possibly making its way across the pacific to american soil. is that even possible? j. lehr, science director with the hartland is with me now, good morning, you have one comment to our audience and everyone needs to calm down, why? >> because, it is virtually impossible that any radiation could move from japan to the united states and have a negative impact. in fact, the entire horrible situation with the nuclear reactors will not add significantly to the problems of the earthquake and the tsunami. we only have to look at the worst nuclear disaster in
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history, that was chernobyl where there was no containment structure. it blew up. in the end, ten years later, when all the facts were in, there were less than 10 fatalities, from that explosion. only people right near the plant were affected by the radiation, a thousand people got leukemia, 998 were cured, and, there were absolutely no effects whatsoever of the radiation that moved down range, hundreds of miles, as we sprikted. it was predicted that tens of thousands of people would get cancer and their children would be affected and so on and it never happened. this is not an atomic bomb. and people don't understand, a nuclear reactor is something very different than an atomic bomb and the radiation that, right now is coming out is being released to reduce pressure in these areas, so the containment vessel is not breached and likely they will not be breached and the melt down may continue to an end point which would be like three mile island where it all melted and sunk to the ground and melted 5/8 of an inch
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into a five inch steel structure at the bottom and that was the end of it and there were no health impacts, there are horrible, horrible problems in japan and the stress this is creating is unwarranted and in necessary. bill: i understand your point, that you are making here. and, the chernobyl situation, that is -- that design built by the soviets was a mess to begin with. and, the fallout from chernobyl, was it known for weeks, if not years after that -- was not known for weeks, if not months or years after that, but we have an explosion in one reactor, a fire in another and, that is what leads to the human dram marks because we do not know what is going to happen next. and, knowing that, knowing that we have not been here at this point yet, in japan, how can you safely say that this will not lead to anything we have seen before, and, the people in that area will be okay. >> i can safely say, having
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studied chernobyl inside and out and understanding the way air disperses radiation and reaction going on in there and what is escaping and what is not escaping. i can say with great certainty, that this panic has been horribly overblown, i can't say a few people will not have radiation problems, i can't say that there won't be a single fatality. i can say that it will be minimal, and the fear mongering that is going on, and provoking worst stress than already exists in this horrible disaster, is unwarranted, because, people do not understand what a nuclear power plant -- and i fault the nuclear industry for not for the last 20 years explaining what a nuclear power plant and people should not be living in fear. >> are you saying the japanese government, did a good job, with -- >> i'm saying they did a good job 40 years ago. it is a 40-year-old plant, it
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was upgraded and improved and it was prepared for an 8.2 earthquake and this was an 9.0 and did the best they could under the circumstances and are doing an amazing job now in spite of all the things that are failing. bill: you say the biggest concern is bodies washing from the sea onto shore. you believe that that is the greater issue than what we are watching with the nuclear plant. why. >> bill, by a factor of 100, i think that is a greater issue. the sickness and loss of life that may result from the nuclear power plant problems which i think will not result are minuscule compared to what we are witnessing. bill: thank you. jay lehr on the phone out of columbus ohio, we'll bring you on camera tomorrow. >> i'm looking forward to it. bill: we'll see you then. and we'll try and gauge where we are, 24 hours from now. because, it's a story that appears to be changing by the hour, thank you for your time.
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>> what an important perspective he has, despite what jay said, nuclear panic is spreading across japan, and, around the globe. now, one world power is reconsidering its entire energy grid. bill: also this is a knee-jerk reaction or is there a real threat of radiation leak into the atmosphere and directing across the ocean? we'll separate fact from the fiction as we roll on here. >> and then on a separate note, is america on the decline? a new editorial says conservatives think we are, a fair and balanced debated on that, after the break. oh. but i did pick up your dry cleaning and had your shoes shined. well, i made you a reservation at the sushi plce around the corner. well, in that case, i better get bk to these invoices... whh i'll do right after making your favorite pancakes. you know what? i'm going to tidy up your side of the office. i can't hear you because i'm also making you a smoothie. [ male announcer ] marriott hotels & resorts knows it's better for xerox to automate their global invoice process so they can focus on serving their customers. with xerox, you're ready for real business.
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bill: i want to update you on all of the bits and piece of information, we're getting. the u.s. navy, about 175 miles north of the reactor. has detected a low-level amount of radiation. that is well north of the nuclear base, and said not to be dangerous but they detected that and it goes along with what we heard yesterday from the uss
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ronald reagan where the aircraft that flew that he have carrier flew through the area and returned to the ship and also detected low levels of radiation, all of which apparently was wiped off with soap and water. so that is certainly a bit of good news, once you detect radiation to figure out, well will it be harmful or not and apparently was not harmful yesterday and is not again today. but, they have detected some in the air, meanwhile, now in germany, this news crossing, about an hour ago. now, reconsidering its entire nuclear energy grid, if you can believe it. the german chancellor, taking nearly half of her nation's atomic reactors off line. shutting them down, temporarily, while the country takes a second look at plans to extend the life of its aging nuclear facilities. this is a sharp turn around for germany. previous german governments decided to shut down all 17 nuke plants by 2021, and the decision was made two decades ago and last year, chancellor merkel moved to keep them open, for at least another ten years.
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and, that decision apparently suspended on monday. and we'll debate whether or not it is this future for energy of the u.s. or not, coming up in 15 minutes. great panel coming up for that. >> is america on the decline? a new editorial in politico says that that is what conservative activists are thinking, and here's the quote. it is the idea held by many conservative activists america is becoming too weak, too european, weak, faceless, a spendthrift nation in hock to china, and a president who is accelerating the process. and, a fox news contributor, kirsten powers, and, let's debate it, stephen hayes, and kirsten powers, let's debate it. the article in politico says america lost her dominance and that that notion, issue will trump all other typically g.o.p. issues from abortion to debt in
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the coming presidential election. and, steven, do you see that happening? >> i do, i think he is accurately framed what will be the debated in the 2012 presidential election. and, the one point of difference i have with him, i would say all of those other issues that he cites as sort of side issues, are in fact manifestations of the broader claim, that he makes, i think accurately and the conservatives see the country in decline and see the president as managing the decline and, somebody who is not doing enough to reverse it but, in fact is managing it and may be content with it and that is the perception when i travel around the country. >> as a candidate isn't that a complicated message to send? because you have to say, america is no longer great. is that a good message for a candidate? >> well, again that is always a problem, i think, if you want to have an optimistic message, but, at the same time, i don't think that this is something that just conservatives are feeling, frankly. there is a lot of sense in the country we're not on the right track, if you look at the fact -- how many people think we're
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on the right track is a minuscule number of people and the president in his state of the union all but acknowledged this, and essentially saying we need to step up our game and we are behind, in terms of education, and we are behind in terms of the innovation and behind in terms of infrastructure, so i think that this is something that sort of is empirically true, we are in the decline, and, the question is, who do you blame him for, you know? i would say i don't think that you can cause a country to decline in a short period of time that obama has been president, it has been a longer-term story, but, at the same time, you know, conservatives will probably get traction with this. >> steven, maybe the answer is to see this through a different lens, and to be optimistic and, for some candidate to come out and say, i think america is great. wouldn't voters want to hear that? >> that is exactly what you will hear from the republican candidates, who are running or president. they will make the argument, i think, kirsten is right, it is imperically true, america is on
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the decline and you can look at debt and deficits and leading indicators that suggest we're on the decline and the message you'll hear from republican candidates will be much like the message marco rubio ran on in the senate in florida in 2010, which is, america is on the decline, we need to restore its greatness and go back to the principles of the founders and things america did, to make this country great. which is, stronger reliance on the private sector and freer economy and less reliance on the government and getting our fiscal house in order. >> is there any way president obama can co-opt the message before the republicans seize on it? >> well, like i said, i think that is what he was doing in the state of the union, laying out a marker, that we need to do things differently. than the way we have been doing them. and that there is -- for too long we have been ignoring things that are very important to have a country that is going to be successful, and competitive, in the global economy and one thing he talks about is education, and, he thinks we need to spend more
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time making sure we have an educated workforce and put more money into building our infrastructure. so, i would expect him to continue to talk about this. >> kirsten powers, steven hayes, we'll see if the candidates echo everything you have said this morning. bill: we're well below 12,000 on the dow 30 now, off 250 points, 11,742, where we are trading. all as a result of what is happening out of japan. so what is the future course of nuclear energy here at home? an excellent panel, tackles that on deck. and the human toll. as we get incredible heart-breaking storieses. from the disaster zone in japan. >> i was washed away, circling around houses. my daughter was also swept away. i still don't know where she is. [ male announcer ] gout's root cause is high uric acid.
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bill: talking about donations pouring in from all over the world to help victims in japan's devastation and there's a six-year-old girl that landed trying to do her part, her name is tuesday muse and loves to paint and got the idea to sell her art to raise donations. listen here: >> i'm going to give it to people who don't have it. to like... so they can like build more stuff. >> a constant reminder in our house, you know, thinking of other people, and, doing good things for people who aren't as fortunate. bill: on this tuesday morning, so far, she has raised more than $300. if you want to help log onto our web site, a lot of information on-line, right now, we're on the air here, foxnews.com, click on the how to help link and you get more information, details, on relief organizations, collecting donation for the folks. nice story.
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>> all right. the disaster in japan is triggering' global economic reaction and u.s. futures tumbling and the nikkei posted the second day of heavy losses and industry insiders are voicing their concerns. >> what we have seen today is an overreaction, to what is going on in japan. and the markets have already priced in the -- that something should happen in the rest of the week. >> eric bolling is the anchor of "follow the money" on the fox business network. >> good morning, how are you. >> well. if japan could quell the nuclear crisis today, would we see a rebound. >> absolutely, japan is now, the nikkei is down, two days, 17%, we haven't seen that kind of drop since the stock market crashed in 1987, and, which, by the way is a quick phenomenon, a dip and subsequent rally. and japan is having a hard time right now, and i think people had stayed on the sidelines to
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find out what the economic and human toll is going to end up being and now we see the picture is coming in, and they are digesting it, absolutely overreaction, 17% in two days, two days, and, the people hit in america, reinsurers, insurer, oil market down $3 a barrel, because of the perceived increased demand coming out of china and the global energy providers, global nuclear providers, ge was down 5%. shaw group, who builds nuclear reactor facilities down 5%, hitachi down 8%, and, siemens, the german company, down 5%, and, you are seeing it across all of the sectors affected by the earthquake and tsunami but i think in japan at least, an overreaction and we are up 100 points, off of our lows here of the dow. >> good news, eric bolling, you can catch more of eric week nights on the fox business network, follow the money airs 10:00 p.m. eastern, monday through wednesday, and, friday.
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thanks, eric. bill: you thought wisconsin was over, didn't you? oh, no, is wisconsin headed for the other of all recalls. >> both sides calling for heads to roll after the weeks of protests over union rights, we'll talk to one of the lawmakers, that is leading that charge in a matter of minutes and find out where they go next. >> and the nuclear crisis in japan prompting rumblings about u.s. energy policy, in washington. >> we ought not to make a long-term decision about any american energy policy. in the wake of a environmental catastrophe in another part of the world. >> what is the effect on u.s. policy? we have a fair and balanced on that, next. we wiped the slate clean. then we created a powerful, refined and aerodynamic design destined to shape our future. the jaguar xj. automobile magazine's 2011 design of the year.
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dame university is at fault in the death of a student who was killed when the hydraulic lift he was standing on fell as he filmed a football practice, last fall, during high winds in south bend, indiana. 10:31, now. >> long term decision about any american energy policy in the wake of a -- an environmental catastrophe in another part of the world and in other words we ought to try to now focus on helping the japanese, in any way that we possibly can, and i'm confident the administration's doing that. >> senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, the crisis unfolding at a nuclear plant in japan is prompting questions about the future of u.s. energy policy, william lajeunesse is live in los angeles with more, william? >> well, support for nuclear energy is predicated on three factors, number one, is green, meaning no carbon emission and number 2 is domestic and in 30 years it has proven safe and
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reliable and now, take that away, and the politics and economics change, here's why. huge discoveries of natural gas have already made nuclear more difficult sell than even three years ago. new nuclear plants do not pencil out, unless they are supported by taxpayer guarantees on the front end for bankers and the back side for liability insurance and all ready this morning, standard & poor's warned clients of a higher risk of plant cancellations and delays because of the disaster in japan. >> worst case is, a melt down and, regardless of the actual physical consequences on the ground, in japan, the fact of a melt down could result in a situation similar to what happened in the country after three mile island. >> so, where are we now? currently the u.s. gets a 5th of its leck traefelectricity from r plants and a 5th are getting 30 years old and, we need 20 new
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plants to keep up with demand and the disaster in japan will make that even harder. >> what we'll have to think harder about, whether the new plants, obviously, modern designs, more formidable and so on, whether they make sense or not. >> so, here's what to expect. an immediate review of existing plant redundancies, also, a more rigorous relicensing of old plants. a possible halt in new construction and a suspension, in the permitting process, so, economical economically, moody's said the situation in japan creates uncertainty for investors and politically, if environmentalists decide the risk is too great, and some democrats withdraw their support for the federal subsidies, the industry requires, nuclear is going to be very hard going forward, as important as it is to our electrical supply. back to you. >> william lajeunesse, thank you. bill: he lays out the debate ongoing now and has been, frankly for decades.
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do we need nuclear power, could we use it ? is it safe? one certain is urging everyone to back off, right now, listen. >> i think there is no chance of a problem and even to get people concerned thinking there might be, because you know, anything could happen, it is absolutely wrong, there is really zero chance that any radiation is going to move out of the -- even if the outer containment structure exploded, and moved from japan to the united states, and create any health problem whatsoever. bill: is he right? an environmental specialist with beyond nuclear, good morning to you, linda. and a former commissioner for the former nuclear regulatory commission. good morning to you as well. overreaction or fair flay. >> i was a commissioner during the events immediately after 9/11 and we had a number of
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anti-nuclear groups, came out and wanted to shut down the plants immediately and, they were demanding missile systems and large steel barriers around the plants and, the commission will look carefully at what happens to the accident and assess the safety of the existing units and will make a determination, what if any measures will need to be added in order -- >> you are saying we get better with each one. linda, what about that? in general, are we overreacting? do we see the knee-jerk reaction already. >> there was a chance to address this way back in 1972, and we have the same design, the mark-one, and the explosions and the fires in the country, 23 plants and in 1972, a decision was made not to build any mr. of them because of the risk, their safety risk and the nrc themselves, they are safety expert, in 1985, harold denton told a conference that this design had a 90% chance of a containment failure in the event
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of an accident. so, rather than as mitch mcconnell said not to change course of the policy today we should have been changing course on this design 20-some, 30 years ago. we have a genuine risk. bill: to be fair on all of this and to get the facts right here, this nuclear plant in japan is 40 years old. i think a lot of people are probably not aware of that and we are far more advanced than the soviets in chernobyl of 1986. and i have to think, linda, we have come a long way since three mile island, 1979. what do you think about that, jeffrey? >> we actually have and i think that has to be put into perspective. there have been significant upgrades in the existing facilities of the u.s., post 9/11, for example, additional redundancies in emergency fire protection and responses to take care of large fires and explosions, these are not the same plants they were back in 1940, they -- there were significant enhancements to make
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sure they meet modern-day standards. bill: the reality of all of this is we need energy for our daily lives and that is the way we are built. you think about coal plant and the coal disaster. and, it is unfortunate, when miners go down there, and frankly risk their lives. >> no, the fundamental reason we have nuclear power is because it has proven to be safe in the u.s., over the last 30 years, and is highly reliable, and, 90% capacity factor and is a source of fuel that provides energy stability and energy security and those -- these things still remain. bill: linda, what about the point the germans are making? they have been back-tracking for 20 years and now angela -- angela merkel says, everything will be on pause until we see what happens in japan, is that an overreaction? >> and, i think that is a responsible thing to do, and
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this close the mac oh-1, reacto, and, my opinion to be to shut them, and one reactor leaked repeatedly, had a fire -- >> where that is. >> had a cooling tower collapse, in vernon, vermont, this is a plant the state of vermont voted to shut down on time in march, 2012, when the license expires, and a the nuclear regulatory commission relicensed it for another 20 years and that it i bling with a lot of lives in vermont and goes against the wishes of the state itself. bill: we are making assumptions here and we are thinking about the worst-case scenario in japan, we don't have all of the information yet the. i mean, we -- >> you make a good point on that. >> picking points out the air, and trying to find out what the truth is. >> you made a good point. the fact is it was a significant earthquake followed by a
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significant tsunami and the preliminary information about the plant is it did well with the earthquake and the challenges it has had, really with the tsunami, and wiping out, some of the electrical equipment. now, linda made a charge, shut down all of the plants in the u.s., there is obviously no tsunami that will be in vermont, nor is that an earthquake area but as it relates to vermont yankee the nuclear regulatory commission is our nation's expert on the safety of nuclear power plant and have shown time and time again they have the capability and technology to assist with these plant and made a determination that it is safe and that is a reasoned, sensible view to take. bill: jeffrey, i started with you, and linda, i'll give you the last word. >> i wish that were the case but the track record of the regulatory commission is to basically accede to the significant wishes of the industry, related to profit margin rather than safety margins. unfortunately, the nrc looked
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away and relicensed yankee and, another one for 20 years, was relicensed and the owner of the reactor decided to go for another ten and that tells you something. bill: i appreciate you coming in and i understand the passion on both sides and i get it, and let the debate continue, linda, jeffrey, thank you. 20 minutes before the hour. >> it was a week ago, when wisconsin republicans voted in the middle of the night, passing the controversial union bill without senate democrats prompting this reaction. >> this is clearly a violation of the -- it is improper for to you move forward while -- this is a violation of the law and to not allow an amendment, that is wrong. >> time. >> this is -- chairman, this is a violation... >> the representative who you just saw joins us live on the fallout an recall efforts for democrats and republicans. bill: a major milestone for the man behind the makeup, alice
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>> i'm jenna lee, breaking news outs of japan, radiation spreading and the death toll rising and new reports of food shortages, a live report from an american on the inside trying to navigate this and also, have you seen the images of children getting scanned for radiation, they are using the machine, we have a doctor live on set bringing the device to show us how it works and plus, what do prices mean for our economy and your money and senator mark kirk, joins us, on the military response, and the budget battle in d.c., we have all of that ahead at the top of the hour on happening now. bill: jenna, thank you, a couple things to pass along, what we
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are getting out of japan, the iaea, the nuclear watchdog group connected with the united nations, operates out of vienna, a 30 kilometer, 18 mile area is set up as a no-fly zone in place around the nuclear facility. on the shoreline there, northeastern japan and that makes sense. and, it also says all the units at these nuclear facilities, for the iaea, all of these plants are in, quote, safe and stable condition. that would be remarkable, if true, and if that holds, 8:00 east coast time, earlier today, the iaea also says that there is data suggesting that falling radioactivity at the power plant has been detected. so, put all of that together as we try and put the mosaic together for what is happening in japan. two of the three reports would indicate good news and let's hope they hold and are true and in the meantime, the no-fly zone is in effect, for good reason,
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for now. 15 minutes before the hour. >> wisconsin democrats believe republican governor scott walker rammed a controversial anti-union bill through without negotiations and now several groups are calling for recalls of him and other lawmakers, on both sides of the aisle. democratic state representative peter barca is the assembly minority leader and is calling for the assembly speaker to step down and joins me now. good morning. >> good morning. nice to be with you. >> we just saw a clip of you on the assembly floor, from last week, and you were clearly upset, and, the part that we didn't show is when you said, our democracy is out of control, in wisconsin, and you all know it, you can all feel it. what did you mean by that? >> well, that is clearly the cases. earlier, the night before, there was a conference committee, where i was one of the conferees, along with four republicans and i was given a
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45-page summary of the bill three minutes before we were supposed to vote on the document and i asked that the committee clerk give a summary, they refused to give a summary and refused to allow me any amendments and refused to -- and worst of all, we believe deliberately in violation of the open meetings law, they took a vote. it is required under our law in wisconsin, in fact, it is sunshine week this week in wisconsin to highlight the importance that the open meetings law have to our state. but, it is -- completely against that law, they are supposed to give a 24 hour notice. unless there is an emergency which clearly there was one and even if there is an emergency they are required to give a two hour notice which they didn't do. and, as a consequence they violated the law in addition to many of the rules that we have in our power. >> here's the irony about what
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you are now calling for. there are 8 republican senators, who people are trying to recall, there are 8 democratic senators, who people are trying to recall, and, the governor, scott walker, who people are trying to recall. and, how would all of the money and time spent on these recalls help restore anything but chaos in the wisconsin state legislature. >> regardless of the recalls that are taking place, we do have laws, in wisconsin, and, they need to be followed. you know, we have rules for our body, there are traditions of the body but, most importantly you have to follow the laws and the freedom of information council stated that it is -- if you leave it up to the judge to find out if the law was actually violated, they said, certainly the spirit of the laud was completely trampled on, and the notion that you would not allow the public adequate time to know what the legislature is voting on, and, so they can weigh in on
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the -- >> of course, everyone -- >> our values in wisconsin. >> honestly people want to read the bills and we heard the debate during the health care reform law, and do you believe that these recalls are the answer? >> well, unfortunately, we are left with virtually no other options. there has been flagrant, deliberate, premeditated violation of our rules, and the law, through out the entire debate, sunshine week in wisconsin, and there are dark storm clouds above the bill and there are -- tomorrow, there will be a challenging court about the constitutionality of whether or not they properly voted on this bill in the senate. because it is believed by our executive that this is a fiscal bill. so, with those dark storm clouds over our democracy it appears there is no other option but for the people to decide if they want to allow this type of
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process, to continue. and, wisconsin is a clean and open state and we take that seriously, it is part of our heritage and what makes wisconsin special. >> understood and we know disgruntled democrats have to collect 540,000 signatures to recall the governor and we'll see if the people of wisconsin do go along with that. representative, state representative peter barca, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you so much. bill: again as you were talking there in the interview, news out of japan, no-fly zone in effect over the area of nuclear concern, about 18 miles across and a leading nuclear group, now saying that levels of radioactivity falling now, in japan's nuclear facilities, more on both of those angles, and, has muammar qaddafi hung onto power, claiming victory in a key port city of northern libya, has the best chance of defeating the dictator, now passed?
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bill: now we learn, forces loyal to the libyan leader muammar qaddafi retaking the last rebel strong hold, west of the capital city of tripoli, and are now attacking two opposition-held towns in the east as they slowly press closer to the rebel capital in the east, the town of benghazi and where we find rick leventhal, streaming live now. rick? >> reporter: libya state tv, bill is reporting that muammar qaddafi's forces are in total control of a city 90 minutes south of us and the rebels say the army is ten miles outside of town but shelling them... remembers ten us the libyan army's aim is terrible and they rarely hit what they are shooting for.
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[sound of gunfire]. [explosion]. >> reporter: it is 11:00 a.m. here, local, right on cue they have been telling us, that the jets have been coming over in the middle of the day and sure enough, a fighter dropped at least one bomb off in the distance there, where rebel fighters have been gathering and we were talking about going down
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there and try to get some video and they were not going to let us in and, sure enough, you see now a lot of these pick-ups, with the big anti-aircraft guns, moving to another position. bill: it is still war, rick lev leventhal, reporting in benghazi, and all of the country -- on the map you talk about the town rick was reporting from and had a satellite break-up there, from the deserts of libya as you can understand, and we are lucky to get reporters in that country, covering the conflict, much less talk to them live. >> rick is in the thick of the action as always, more on the precarious situation unfolding at the nuclear power plant in japan, new details on the radiation threat and situation on the ground for survivors, still ahead. >> no water. no power. phone lines dead. we don't have basic utilities. i know where my children are. but, my wife is missing. i'm worried.
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